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"Finish by" option based on watering time duration

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    natromeo

    Good suggestion. I water in the morning and I could appreciate setting the unit up to be finished by the time my kids get up and start taking showers. We often lose water pressure if the sprinklers are on while using the shower.

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    Jason Botts

    Good point, @natromeo. We don't have that issue but starting the watering at 1 AM in the morning for a simple 15 mins when it could start 15 mins before sunrise would be much better.

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    Mitul Patel

    This a great idea.

    Though currently trying hard to water 50% before sun-rise and 50% after sun-rise. It never does it because of reduced required water many times it water everything way before sun-rise.

     

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    Jason Botts

    I have the same issue. My watering starts at 1 AM to allow for 100% of the schedule before sunrise (which has been a city regulation in the past) but it finishes some days in about 15 minutes! 

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    Jason Botts

    With the heat of summer upon us, this has become ever more important. My schedule is between 30 mins and 4hrs. depending on conditions. Would love to "finish at sunrise" so I'm not watering for 30min at 1 am when 5 am would be just fine.

    Thanks!

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    Rick Felter (Edited )

    Are there any plans to implement this? When watering is still going on by the time we wake up for showers, water pressure is a big issue if programs are still running. Especially more of a concern during hitter days when the programs are watering more than 100%. Setting a finish by time, or having it finish x minutes prior to sunrise would be extremely helpful. This topic received a lot of votes — can it be considered please?

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    RainMachine Support

    Hi, Rick, all
    We are now gathering more feedback for this suggestion.

    In the end, it is a Program start time recalculation based on the amount of time you set before/after sunrise for the program to finish.

    As an workaround - set an Hourly Restriction.
    Scenario: A program with 6 zones is set to start at 5:30 AM and will run till 7:30 AM. You wake up at 7:00 AM. Add an Hourly Restriction for your working days that starts at 06:30 AM and last 1 hour. Your scheduled program will start at 5:30 AM and the zone that will water until the hourly restriction will engage at 06:30 AM will finish its time, but the next one(s) will be postponed until the hourly restriction will end at 07:30 AM.

    Thank you,
    RainMachine Support

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    Rick Felter

    But using an hourly restriction won’t pause an existing running zone and then resume it after the restriction is over, correct? I have one particular zone that has a normally scheduled runtime of 1h:59m because it receives no shade, and today for example, it’s running the program at 128% due to little rain. The hourly restriction doesn’t appear to pause that running zone and then resume it after the restriction is over, does it?

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    Jason Botts

    I'm not sure I follow the work around @RainMachine Support

    The issue is completing a full cycle before sunrise. The Rain Machine seems to know in advance how long a cycle is scheduled. If the "finish by is set" then the start time would be calculated based on needed run times.

    In your workaround example, it seems like cycle would consistently be cut short. If the cycle is set to force a finish at "sunrise" (which obviously changes all the time) then we're back to making sure the start time allows enough time for the longest possible run time.

    Good watering practice is to water the lawn before sunrise. In our city, during water restrictions, this is the law. In order to get a full cycle I have to assume the worse case duration and set the start time which can be as early as 1 AM... which is about like watering at night, which is can create lawn issues. Often I don't need a full cycle but I never know... having this feature would be amazing!!

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    Rick Felter

    As others mentioned - “finish by” is more valuable than “start at” or “start x hrs before” — ideally, watering should be done as close as possible to sunrise for two reasons - first, prior to sunrise allows the water to be taken it by the soil before the sun can evaporate it and second — to avoid fungal growth which will occur due to setting the schedule too early (at least in my area)

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    RainMachine Support

    Hi, Rick and Jason
    Yes, using Hourly Restriction will pause all other zones, but not the current one. The current watering zone has to finish first.
    We understand that this is not the right way.
    The suggestion was sent to our developers.

    Thank you for your feedback.
    RainMachine Support

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    Mitul Patel

    Two sides of the coin...

    For most people, including me, the "finish by" will make sense to finish watering before sun rise.

    But, I can also see the existing "start by" for people who starts before or after sun set.

     

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    Rick Felter

    I don’t think anyone proposed removing the ability to start at a specific time.. Just having two options in the scheduling for either “Start at” or “Finish by”

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    Jason Botts

    Agree, Mitul. The current start up feature works well for many. The “finish by” is very exciting as it brings good watering practice (great points Rick) and compliance with local ordinances during water restrictions. Since sun rise is variable I’m hoping the “finish by” feature addition includes this as possible option with the same adjustments of “before/after.”

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    Rick Felter

    I just hope it doesn’t take RM as long to implement this as it did Rachio. Their users started asking for this in 2014, and I believe it was only added recently.

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    Eric A.

    I also have the issue where water pressure is reduced during morning showers. I think it would be great to add a setting that would make sure watering is done before a certain time of day.

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    Nicholas

    Latest RainMachine beta (.954) has this feature (Finish by Sunrise/Sunset with before/after offset)

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    Rick Felter

    Great! Will there be a new beta coming out on TestFlight for the iOS app to utilize in it in the app?

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    Rick Felter

    I see it in the web interface but notice it’s limited to offset from sunrise/sunset. Any chance it can also be applied to a specific time of day? I.e Finish by 6:00 AM

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    Nicholas

    Not at this moment. 

    The beta for iOS and Android will follow soon.

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    Rick Felter

    The interference with daily showers makes the Finish By feature more valuable (to me at least) with static times of day. Hopefully that can be accommodated.

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    Nicholas

    I'll bring this up to see how we can fit it nicely in the UI.

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    Rick Felter

    I don’t think it’s working with offset from sunrise. I changed my start time to finish by 1 hr after sunrise. My dashboard shows my program was supposed to run for 118% today. My watering history just says “No watering data”, and Nothing watered at all.

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    Nicholas

    When you change the Finish by options (make sure you add the minutes) the next run time should automatically refresh in Web UI.

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    Rick Felter (Edited )

    When I changed it, the next run time did change to run at 2:31 AM today and showed that in the UI. But nothing ran. I posted a new message in the issues forum with logs.

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    Jason Botts

    Just installed the update. Will check it out. Says it will run on the 9th. Yay!

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    Nicholas

    Hi,

    Rick, I cannot replicate all my programs with before/after sunrise or sunset start just fine I tested on 5 machines myself. Can you delete and create the program again from Web UI ? I'll take a look at your database.

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    Rick Felter

    Think it may have something to do with visiting the program within the iOS app after the changes were made in the web UI. Decided I’m not going to re-visit this until the app gets updated with the changes as well

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    Rick Felter

    So my sprinklers ran for the first time since 8/10 today because we’ve had a lot of rain. I updated the beta iOS app, which now has support for the new “Finish By” setting, and my program ran as expected today, finishing at 10 mins after sunrise as specified. Thanks

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    Sebastian

    I really like this new feature but I have some other - likely trivial - suggestion:

     

    Can you please add a "finish by" without the sunrise/sunset dependecy? Just a plain "Finish by 8:00". Should be about the same, except the RM would not compute the sunrise/sunset event to find out until when to finish but would use a fixed time.

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