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    Nicholas (Edited )

    We know about this issue and we'll be having a solution soon.

    As for the DWD, I can't say as I'm not able to find out if they have an API to retrieve data or only the opendata.dwd.de which seems cumbersome to use.

     

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    Jerry King

    Will it still work with Rainmachine if you pay?

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    Sebastian Kuhn

    Depends on what you pay for.
    According to their forums, the cheapest data package is 850 USD per month.

    As for the DWD, yes its cumbersome (you have to download a cvs file, the station name is in the file name, etc.) and only relevant for users based in germany.

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    Nicholas

    Sebastian,

    If you can build the download URL by knowing the station name and the csv is not more than, let's say 300KB, it wouldn't be that difficult. The problem is that most information is in German which makes it hard for us to understand through google translate.

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    Sebastian Kuhn (Edited )

    Hi Nicholas, 

    i finally found the time to set up a dev environment on a linux. I migh be able to take a shot at a DWD parser the next few days. 

    An example cvs can be found here:

    http://opendata.dwd.de/weather/local_forecasts/poi/10637-MOSMIX.csv

    This is the one that I am testing with. It's around 10kb.

    The information in the file, including the field descriptions are all in english. So if you want to try, you'd probably be faster. 

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    Sebastian Kuhn

    So I hacked something together that might be working. 

    I have to test it on my rainmachine now. I can provide the code if there is interest. How? GitHub?

    Its getting more and more off-topic, but: Is there a way to directly feed an evapotranspiration value into RainMachine from a parser? I just saw that DWD provides a value "potential evapotranspiration last day" in "kg/qm" ...

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    Aaron Crouch

    Nicholas, is there any update on a solution?

    I just installed my RainMachine Saturday, and integration with Weather Underground was the main selling point. I don't have a developer key. The NOAA forecast is significantly different than the actuals.

    Trying to decide if I want to return it as, again, I bought it due to the WU integration.

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    Nicholas

    Hi Aaron,

    Yes we do have an workaround in the current beta it requires no key for PWS only (just for forecast). Right now beta slots are full, there will be another round opened Thursday.

    You can enable beta by going to Settings > System > Beta Quality Updates.

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    Nicholas

    Hi Sebastian,

    That's great ! Although I see that our higher powers must approve your posts (not sure why it hits the spam filter).

    Yes you can send a pull request on GitHub or as a gist on GitHub so I can look. As for the EvapoTranspiration you can add the value with addValue() call by specifying 

    data type to be RMWeatherDataType.ET0 but it has to be in mm per day.

    We should probably make a new thread on Developers section to continue.

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    Aaron Crouch

    So, the beta will receive Personal Weather Station data, but no forecast, or it will only receive forecast? 

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    Nicholas

    Forecast will still be received from other weather services like NOAA but not from Weather Underground if you don't have an API key.

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    Mark52479

    Nicholas,

     

    Can you elaborate a little more on how the Weather Underground is now working with beta?

     

    I am a beta user with the latest software and firmware., I have a PWS and an API key that I have been using the last year or so.  I have changed nothing and my PWS has been working fine but as of about a week ago I am get the message "could not get station data" on the rainmachine web interface.  Again I have changed nothing.

     

    Is this how it is suppose to be now?

     

    thanks

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    Nicholas

    Definitely no, current beta can get station data without an API key. API key is still required for WUnderground forecast. Having an API key only enables forecasting on WUnderground.

    Is the station ID listed on Nearby Weather Station list ? Can you give me your station name to check it manually ?

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    Mark52479

    Nicholas,

     

    It seems to have fixed itself.  I generated a new key through wundergound and put that in and it seems to have done the trick.

     

    thanks for the response.  

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    Ed111 (Edited )

    Just trying to understand the situation now with Weather Underground . . .

    I do not have my own PWS.  I have a "free" API key that has been used for over a year to receive data from the specified station.  Recently, the system has been showing the message that it could not get specified weather station data.  With no more free API keys, I think I couldn't just generate a new API key as Mark52479 has done.

    I have just added a bunch of nearby weather stations to the Weather Underground info.  Hopefully, this will correct the problem.

    Is there anything else to try?

    EDIT:  Just refreshed after adding the new weather stations and status now shows "Success", so maybe the prior single station I had specified wasn't reporting.  It was an airport ID, so that is curious, but I guess possible.

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    Seth

    It kind of sucks that WU will still gladly take personal weather station data but now wants lots of money to access that data. I've been looking at other options to submit my PWS data to instead of WU since they've just been making too many "corporate" changes.

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    Ralph Becker-Szendy (Edited )

    I agree that WU is beginning to suck.  And I understand the source of their "corporate" changes.  But: WU still makes the data available for free, just in a format that is not useful for an API.  Just go to the WU web site, click on any old personal weather station, and you can look at all the wonderful graphs of weather data.  You can even take screen shots of that.  You just can't get at it programmatically (meaning: efficiently) for free.

    The perverse thing is: I can't even get to the data from my own weather station, which I uploaded to IBM = WU, using my money to buy a weather station, my time to install and maintain it, and my money to pay for the DSL to upload it to WU.  And I didn't give IBM = WU an exclusive license to my data, so they don't have the right to prevent me from doing with the data as I please.  However, they are under no legal obligation to make it easy to get my data once I've uploaded it.  And clearly it is in their interest to not let potential competitors get at bulk data, so they make it deliberately hard.  Not illegal, just immoral.  Given the corporate transitions at WU (-> Weather.com -> IBM), that shouldn't surprise anyone.

    Still, WU has value for me.  It's nice that I can get a convenient graphical version of my weather data, can quickly find neighboring weather stations, and compare their data.

    If someone hears of good alternatives to WU for uploading weather data, please post here; I'm interested.

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